Detective Comics #790
dcu:The Many Faces of Batman
Lewis Wilson - Batman 1943 (serial)
Robert Lowery - Batman and Robin 1949 (serial)
Adam West - Batman: The Movie 1966
Michael Keaton - Batman 1989/Batman Returns
Kevin Conroy - Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
Val Kilmer - Batman Forever
George Clooney - Batman & Robin
Christian Bale - Batman Begins/The Dark Knight/The Dark Knight Rises
Nice photo set for Batman day.
We all know the Adam West version is totally the best…
So, to be clear. After all they’ve done for Gotham, the hundreds if not thousands of lives they’ve saved over the years…
Cass Cain can just be summed up as the fake “mopey one”, while Barbara Gordon had an epic rack and was the “real” Batgirl.
Can’t say I’m too surprised about Cass not being the ~real~ Batgirl, considering who’s the writer for this issue. (◡‿◡✿)
Ms. Simone you seem like a usually nice person but you really got problems understanding what makes a hero ‘real’ or not.
It should be pointed out that just because a character said it, doesn’t necessarily make it the actual point of view of the creator. Hence why my comment was aimed more at the citizens of Gotham not Gail Simone.
It should also be pointed out that “citizens of Gotham” are fictional characters and they’re not in control of their opinions and actions, which are in fact being written by someone else.
Sure it may not be the point of view of the creator, but doesn’t make it any less of a dick move.
I’m also not happy with this real Batgirl junk. They are ALL real Batgirls. Like was Dick the ONLY Robin? The Tim Stan’s would have my head for saying such a thing. Sure Barbara created Batgirl but, the women after her had HER stamp of approval to take up the role. I know DC is trying to cute shit up to keep up with Marvel but, Marvel ALWAYS had cute stuff way before MCU cash cow pushed the comics into new directions. DC always did it’s best work with everything sucks all the time. It’s why I preferred it until new 52 caused me to see red with almost all of it’s choices for my favorite characters. I just hope the Gotham show is successful enough to make the Bat writers see the light.
Evidently a lot of the reason why the new 52 version of Batgirl was so grimdark and miserable was due to pressure from some of the editors (those same editors that tried to fire Simone due to the conflict her views on how the series should go versus what they thought that people wanted). Said editors have left now (gone to Marvel infact), but not before Simone herself quit the book.
The new direction of not just the Batgirl book but also new series’ like Gotham Academy (which is aimed at younger girls, a category DC said in an interview they were deliberately ignoring around the time of the reboot, as they considered their audience to be men aged 18 to 30), seems to imply that DC is trying to get back on track…
…if it wasn’t for crap like the new artist of Wonder Woman saying stupid stuff like “she’ll be strong, but not a feminist”. Though this might be due to the seemingly increasing number of people not understanding what the word “feminism” means.
I would like to point out to everyone that Gail has, since day one, been trying to bring Cass and Steph back. Steph came back, though not under her, but if you watch her tumblr and twitter feeds, she’s still trying to get Cass back. She loves the characters, and wants to use them.
To her, ALL Batgirls are her babies.
I don’t think these are Gail’s own thoughts on the matter (“mopey” vs “real”) but I have no doubt they reflect the thinking of DC Editorial. The contempt Editorial has for Cassandra Cain has been clear for years (and the reasons still unknown) and Didio in particular does not even bother to hide it anymore. I know many writers (including those in Snyder’s inner circle) wanted to bring Cass back (Snyder even wanted her in the first issue of the reboot) but they are obviously not the ones running things.
After all, this issue of BoP was written before the reboot. The reboot happens and we get official press releases by DC trumpeting the return of the “one true” “iconic” Batgirl. Basically DC became a parody of one of their own comics. The other Batgirls? Never existed. They weren’t “real”. Though apparently four male Robins were.
Adam Beechen himself responded to one one of my Tumblr responses about Cass Cain. Makes me feel more than a little bad about it that people are still on him about a “8 year old comic” (and by “people” I mean me).
I tweeted him back that I actually liked some of his Teen Titans Go and JLU work and that most people actually blamed Editorial and not him. It’s just that his “8 year old comic” was the start of 8 years where Cass Cain has been declared “toxic” by DC Editorial for some reason and they have come up time and time again with reasons to slight the character (yes because all 4 male Robins needed their own BOOKS in the reboot but Batman’s adopted daughter who is a WoC in a mostly white world - and the one protege most like him - has still not existed two years into the DCnU). None of which is Beechen’s fault - but if we have to go back to when it all started it all goes back to that “8 year old comic”.
Also, in Beechen’s defense, he has always manned up and taken responsibility for Evil!Cass even though we all know it was an Editorial decision handed to him (even if he decided the Dragon Lady direction). No one at DC Editorial (like Beechen’s editors, Eddie Berganza and Peter Tomasi who still work at DC) has ever taken responsibility or even talked about it. Didio has even jokingly blamed Beechen as the man who “ruined Cass Cain” at conventions (and we all know it was ultimately Didio’s decision). Now that’s shady.
Ollie Queen piles on the charm by attempting to murder Cass for her numerous murders whilst brainwashed… apparently the hypocrisy of this course of action (particularly has Ollie has both killed people in the past while in control of his faculities and would go on to kill others in the future) doesn’t occur to Mr Queen.
Particularly baffling is that this isn’t the first team that Cass and Ollie were together on, as they were both in JLElite together back in the day. Hell, I’m pretty sure he was the one Bruce told Cass’ secret to at the time as well.
From Batman and the Outsiders
Can we also include the fact that Ollie voted to mindwipe Bruce and lied about it (to Bruce’s face) or years and years (an incident which somehow only stuck to Zatanna). I figure that means Ollie owes Bruce FOREVER.
Batman: No Man’s Land
Detective Comics (1937-2011) #734
"Hold on! I’ve got you."
I wonder how many fellow anime fans out there can’t read this scene without “Ballad of Fallen Angels” playing in their mind. omg just thinking about it makes me get chills all over!
On a more relevant note, this actually becomes a bit of an establishing moment for the relationships between these three characters. Cain clings to Cassandra and genuinely wants to save her, but the only thing he can offer her is the lifestyle and trauma she has already suffered at his hands. Cassandra chooses death and forcefully ejects herself from Cain, no matter how much genuine love as a father and daughter they might share.
She’s also only saved by Bruce, and more specifically Batman. Which, of course, establishes a deep rooted hatred and jealousy from Cain who has lost the only family he has ever allowed himself to have to Bruce’s world.
Still get chills
You know what REALLY ANNOYS ME
Whenever people talk about, “Who should be Batman next?”
AND THE TALK ABOUT EVERYONE BUT CASS
THE ONE PERSON OUTSIDE OF DAMIAN WHO ACTUALLY WANTS TO BE BATMAN
THE ONE PERSON
AND SHE’S BEEN WANTING THAT LONGER THAN DAMIAN HAS EVEN BEEN KNOWN TO EXIST
AND YET NO…
I love how the Battle for the Cowl storyline was about Dick, Tim and Jason (two of which had never wanted to be Batman, Dick had even been Batman already at that point in the KnightsEnd storyline and Gatt!man Jason was just crazy nuts) while Cassandra who was still Batgirl at that point, was the only one of Bruce’s proteges who had ever literally said she wanted to succeed her as Batman was not only not in the mini-series was relegated to a side one-off issue where she basically created the “Network” that protected Gotham in Bruce’s absence. But hey Tony Daniel didn’t like her (in common with DC Editors) so who cares, right?
Just think what a better story (and headlines) it would have been had Cass become Batman (a teenage female Asian Batman!) instead of Dick - again.
Batman: Gotham Adventures(1997-2003)#54
"He stands, high above his city. It has all led to this one moment. He breathes deeply, filing his lungs with the oxygen necessary to fulfill his task. But there is more to the act than — than simple physical need. As he breathes in the scent of his city, tasting its unique odor, imbibing its aroma, he becomes. He becomes one with the city. He becomes Gotham. It holds no secrets from him. He knows all it knows. Its needs, its desires its — Its needs, its desires, its every little wish. And he knows that he is — he is the answer to it all."
I swear I have read comics where this was all said unironically. And that is why it almost makes me cry laughing every time I read this issue. Just… just oh my god.
If I ever wrote something remotely like this, I am counting on you all to stop me. Through any means necessary.
Bruce Wayne & Gotham=OTP
This is Batman’s 75th year as a superhero and to celebrate DC Comics had declared July 23 “Batman Day.” As part of the celebration and as the #1 comics blog with the words “DC and Women” in its name, I am also going to celebrate on the 23. And what better way than to name the most important female in Batman’s history.
But who that women is will not be my choice - it will be yours!
Hit reply too soon but my list would have to be:
1. Selina Kyle (the most prominent female figure in the Batman mythos).
2. Barbara Gordon (the trendsetter for non-villians)
3. Martha Kane Wayne (the reason for it all and a more interesting character than Thomas Wayne IMO)
4. Cassandra Cain (the most prominent WOC in Batman history, the only adopted daughter of the Bat, created to diversify the comics and be someone new and segued into her own identity without EVER becoming a Robin)
5. Harley Quin (proof positive that a non-comics characters can be become so iconic and so important in a small amount of time that not only does the comic universe adopt her but she becomes one of DC’s most recognizable and marketable properties)
Martha Wayne - Beloved Wife and Mother
Can we just take a moment to appreciate this fabulous woman who seems to always be forgotten? She used her family’s wealth and status to champion causes and charities. She headed an agency thats goal was to stop abuse against children. Not to mention, she was a wonderful, loving mother.
Martha Wayne, everybody.
Happy Mothers Day. T_T