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Cass Cain’s last appearance before the New 52:
Batman: Gates of Gotham #5
Print release date: August 24, 2011

Cass Cain’s first appearance after the New 52:
Futures End: Batgirl #1
Print release date: September 10, 2014

It is 1113 days from the start date to the end date, but not including the end date.

Or 3 years, 17 days excluding the end date.

So the way I see it, they owe us 3 years worth of Cassandra Cain as Black Bat comics.

Let us not forget it was almost two years between the time she disappeared in one page in Batgirl #1 (Steph series) and her guest appearance in Red Robin. In between was the year in which Didio had actually publicly said there were “big plans” for the character. 

Those “big plans” being she would cease to exist.

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[Batgirl: Futures End #1 Shot Written By: Gail Simone Art by: Javier Garron]

So is anyone else upset that they finally gave us Cass & Steph back in the role of Bat-fam, but in a storyline meant for a “Dark Future” that they’re trying to prevent from happening? Like it’s cool they’re in the one-shot issue…

But will we ever get them back again? Remember that after this issue we’re going back to Barbara. Barbara in a cool new costume mind you, but still BARBARA.

Conflicted feelings.

Since Didio has said over and over again there’s only “one true Batgirl”, only one “iconic” Batgirl, etc. I think its a given if we see Cass and Steph again in regular comic canon time neither will be a Batgirl or have a chance at being Batgirl.

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asleeponabench asked ...
What are your favorite Cassandra Cain quotes or her quotes that you think encapsulate who she is?
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This is just an awesome question! I love it : ) Thank you for asking!!!

"Sorry, Shiva. I don’t kill… but I don’t lose either.”
Batgirl (2000-2006) #8

I talk about this quote a lot, I think, but only because I truly believe it deserves it. It is the very quote that changed my relationship with Cassandra and my understanding of her character.

What it encapsulates is a dedication. A personal oath. This is Cass’ declaration of purpose in direct parallel to Bruce’s own declaration of War on Crime. The difference is, Bruce sees the enemy externally. He declares he will make the world better so that a child like he was wouldn’t suffer again. Cass is internally reflecting: the only thing she can control is herself, and that is precisely what she aims to do.

"Yes. He is. But… you’renot. Okay?”Batgirl (2000-2006) #16

This is from a storyline where Cass helps apprehend the very father a young boy asked her to help save.

It reveals an understanding from Cass — as she was in the same position as the boy, though she personally sees herself as having lost her innocence whereas the boy hasn’t yet. But more than that this is a feature of Cassandra’s compassion. Which I will stand forever by the fact that compassion is the single most important attribute to Cass’ character.

"No. Not you. This.
Batgirl (2000-2006) #50

I find that I’m a lot more affectionate toward Horrocks’ run than most — it’s the run of her series that I started out with years ago and was the basis for how I saw Cass for a long time before getting a hold of the back issues and trades for what came before. But I hold that Cass’ statement here — this statement of her loyalty to what Batman stands for rather than the very fallible man himself encapsulates Cass’ independence and her right for the mantle of Batman.

I mean, Cass really is one of the most quotable heroes in comics. I love quotes. I love Cass. I love Cass quotes. There’s so many more I could just go on and on about (“You can change. You can.” "Instinct. That’s… who you are." "Am I volving?""Nobody dies tonight." "Terror. Then… nothing." "I see you, Shiva.” “Don’t worry. I’m… a detective.” “I’m not perfect anymore. Take the words away… and give me back my skills.” “Don’t… talk to me like that. Like I’m stupid.” — this is a dangerous door you’ve opened), but unfortunately (or fortunately, really) I don’t have time to get all of them

These three are probably my favorite most consistently, though.

And. Y’know. “You bet your sweet patootie!”

Other favorite quotes include what others say about Cass:

Bruce: “Batgirl is a phenomenon” - Robin 88

Alfred: “You have achieved more in your few short years as Batgirl than many costumed heroes manage in a lifetime. You have saved countless lives, brought justice to the wicked and helped the city regain hope during the most difficult time in its history.” - Batgirl 43

Bronze Tiger: “We made you a warrior. You made yourself a hero” - Batgirl 67

Lady Shiva: “Heroes are forever…the rest of us are just part of the story.” - Batgirl 71

I think the Bronze Tiger personifies who Cass is better than anything else. She was born to be a weapon, a warrior, but she made HERSELF a hero. If I was rebooting Cass and giving her a title thats the tag line I would use to sell her to an audience.


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Out of curiosity what was problematic about Bryan Q. MIller's Batgirl run. I heard good things awhile back and was considering checking it out.
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It was pretty much 99% the treatment of Cass. She basically handed Steph her costume with some bullshit reasoning that without Bruce she has nothing to fight for (contradicting characterization previously established in her series, where she explicitly told Bruce she did not fight for him) and exited stage left. Other than an extremely brief flashback where Cass had told Steph not to follow her, Steph never mentioned her again, and neither did Babs. This was Steph’s best friend who had a huge impact on her life and Babs basically adopted daughter, not to mention an important part of the Batgirl legacy, so it’s pretty egregrious. She was even left out of Steph’s cartoon history of the bat family. Cass was pretty much blacklisted at DC at the time, but that doesn’t really excuse her not even being mentioned- especially since near the end of the series she was no longer blacklisted.

The reason Cass left was later retconned with it being that Bruce told Cass to give Steph the costume, which is almost worse, because that’s not Bruce’s decision to make. He should NOT be controlling the Batgirl legacy behind the scenes. It’s not his legacy and it’s never been his decision who gets the cowl- nor should Cass be made to follow his orders about something so dear to her. It pretty much undermines everything Batgirl’s about. Miller told me Cass wouldn’t have given up the legacy if she hadn’t wanted it too, but that didn’t do much to make me feel better, especially since it was never addressed in the text. I’m am just so tired of Bruce secretly being the God Behind Everything instead of being making decisions for themselves.

Obviously there’s also some unfortunate implications with the half-Asian Batgirl being replaced by a white girl and instantly forgotten too.

There’s some other minor issues- Stephanie talked very disparagingly about her days as Spoiler, basically sometimes boiling her motivation down to “chasing a boy”, which was never why she was Spoiler- she was 100 percent in it to stop her dad at first, and just grew to love it. She even quit for a time and decided to get back into it again during the Quake WHEN SHE SAW PEOPLE IN DANGER. It was never about Tim.

Now, I actually think it’s super in character for Steph to be very disparaging about herself. She doesn’t have great self-esteem or understanding about herself, that’s part of her character. But it wasn’t really ever confronted, though it could have been in the works before the series got canceled.

There’s also the issue that her “hopeful” side was overfocused on a bit. She’s always been an extremely angry person and could even be very cynical, but we didn’t see a lot of that in Batgirl. This didn’t bother me as much as it did others, because as shitty as War Games was, it was still acknowledged as having happened, and in it Stephanie sort of gave up her desire to kill bc idk Batman said so. (and that decision immediately got her killed! The moral is always kill people I guess). Was it good writing? No. But it happened. And I could see her deciding to become a more hopeful person in the wake of what she’d been through. So it didn’t bother me as much, though yeah, I agree I do see her as someone built on bloody determination rather than an inherently hopeful person.

If you don’t have the huge attachment to Cass (which what is wrong with you if you don’t though :P) or baggage w/ the rest of it though, it’s a good read and a very fun series that finally lets Steph shine and be impressive.Her relationship with Babs is pretty great, there’s a lot of disabled characters, and it’s a nice change from the ridiculous grimdark comics that surrounded it- it’s all about hope and reinventing yourself and fun. It was also basically the only period of Steph’s tenure in comics where she wasn’t constantly treated like complete shit by both the other characters and the editorial/writers. That was obviously extremely nice as a Steph fan and something I was over the moon about at the time, even while being down in the dumps because of Cass. It was a very weird time, like being ripped in half between your two best loves. WHY DC. WHY CAN’T I EVER HAVE BOTH.

Also I like that it happened because Fabian Nicieza once told me Steph couldn’t support her own solo series and I was like “HOW DARE YOU YES SHE COULD” and I love being right. 

Agree with all of this - especially of the retcon of the original stupid reason they had Cass give up the Batgirl legacy - because Bruce ordered her (in case something happened to him what?) to help Stephanie. Because Bruce (who in canon we’d all like to forget) left Gotham to a “reformed Two-Face”, took a trip around the world with Dick and Tim and left Cass alone to be drugged by Deathstroke and then take over the League of Assassins.  Yes, to make the Cass Zero Appearance work they had to mess up Bruce Wayne too.

And as a reminder - when this issue happened - Miller’s “Return of Bruce Wayne: Batgirl” one shot - all happened it was an off-hand line by Bruce to Alfred about why Stephanie was Batgirl (so it wasn’t even about Cass). Cass never appeared in it (although she had appeared in Red Robin by that time so the Editorial thing we give Miller a pass for was lifted) and she never explained HERSELF. Also - from the time Bruce returned from the dead to the reboot (which was over a year) he never interacted with Cass once, they never shared a panel, we have no reaction of her to his death OR his resurrection or Bruce’s reaction to her going AWOL again (or what exactly it was he told her to do - like Cass is some kind of slave or something). Miller definitely could have ended that issue with Bruce coming back from seeing Steph as Batgirl to him talking to CASSANDRA instead of Alfred and it would have made the entire Batgirl series come full circle. But it was clear after issue 2 that Miller really just wanted us to forget there ever was a Batgirl between Babs and Stephanie as if it was Babs herself who gave Steph permission instead of you know who. And that can’t all have been Editorial.

And yes, if you don’t feel a twinge at the only Asian superheroine (and only MAJOR woman of color in the Bat-Family) in the Bat-comics getting replaced by a blue-eyed blonde white girl - when at the same time Supergirl and WonderGirl were ALSO blue -eyed blond white girls then you’re missing some “unfortunate implications” (to quote TV Tropes) about diversity in comics and where DC Editorial’s priorities are.

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Cassandra Cain Has Emotions: Anger ( 3/? )

Wow. So. For reasons I’m sure would be interesting to metatextualize at some point, anger is the one emotion most consistently found in art featuring Cass. This… weirds me out. Because I’ve never read Cass as a particularly angry character? Just passionate and angry as a result of situations which require it.

I should add that I’m trying very hard to pick images from stories where Cass is behaving in character and is, in story, responding with that emotion, rather than just looking angry as a default. Which is unfortunately the conclusion I was coming to for why there are so many canonical images outside of her series where Cass looked so angry.

I also am trying, throughout this series, to pick as many different artists and styles as I can, and use just as many pictures of Cass in costume as out.

And as a side note that I find hilarious: you would be shocked at how consistently angry Cass is in stories where she’s teamed up with Tim for any various reasons. Not always at him. But a lot. It’s like… Tim, what did you do?

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